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Crossface Member	# Posted: 27 Jun 2007 20:59 Hello All... First of All many many Thanks to whomsoever is involved with creating Yabuse. (I have been using GiriGiri for all my Saturn Emulation needs, but have recently disvovered Yabuse) I can't Run SSF because of the SSE2 and 3 requirements, so for any of you running SSF I would like to hear wich emu runs best for you. Please Respond with a brief reply of wich Emu does a better job for you and the game you like best.
CyberWarriorX Moderator	# Posted: 28 Jun 2007 22:19 I honestly don't like where this is going to go. I'm leaving it for now, but if I see anything that remotely resembles flame bait I'm locking this thread.
Crossface Member	# Posted: 4 Jul 2007 04:13 CyberWarriorX Hey CW ? I think this would have been a great thread. I don't think anyone who takes the time to Run "Saturn" emulators are immature enough to start "flame" on here. I think your comments may have killed many good responses. Please Delete your "negative" post. Thanks.
CyberWarriorX Moderator	# Posted: 5 Jul 2007 08:59 I've been around more than long enough to see it does indeed happen. Besides, this isn't the place for such a question anyways. Obviously there's going to be some bias one way or other.
Guillaume Moderator	# Posted: 5 Jul 2007 12:24 Well... there can't be a bias as yabause is far better than ssf :))
CyberWarriorX Moderator	# Posted: 5 Jul 2007 18:22 That's true :)
Crossface Member	# Posted: 12 Jul 2007 23:53 Come on All you SSF users, lets hear what you think of Yabause vs. SSF. Last time I could use SSF it was like 2 years ago, and it was horrendously slow. I would just like to know if the speed of SSF is on par with Yabause. Lets hear it !!! Thanks.
Crossface Member	# Posted: 13 Jul 2007 00:05 P.S. Could one of you moderators fix the "type-o" in the topic-heading please ? I mis-spelled Yabause. Thanks... i hate type-o's
NecroRomancist Member	# Posted: 13 Jul 2007 00:10 There is no question :) Yabause runs "everywhere" and is great, SSF runs on windows and cpu's with sse2 and is great. 2-1 Yabause wins :)
Guillaume Moderator	# Posted: 13 Jul 2007 09:35 the "yabuse" mispelling is quite popular, it's the second keyword most used to reach the yabause site :) (the first keyword being "yabause") 2-1 Yabause wins :) Thanks NecroRomancist :) btw, what's up with dcemu? are you still working on it? it would be nice to have a dreamcast emu running on linux.
NecroRomancist Member	# Posted: 17 Jul 2007 00:04 Hi. University was crazy this past year, i had to focus just on it :) and the time i had for dcemu was not that much. But it is far from being dead :)
Crossface Member	# Posted: 19 Jul 2007 00:05 Well, it's been 4 whole weeks since I posted this this fascinating Topic. The answer is quite clear... and that is... nobody gives a hoot :( LOL. So, I've searched the net and I have come to the cold hard conclusion that SSF is more advanced than Yabause. (meaning it runs more games with less glitches at Very good speeds) However, Yabause does have lower hardware requirements and will run at Very Good Speeds on non SSE2 Cpus. Sooo.... bottom line, if your like me and can't run SSF .... Save your money and upgrade your CPU.... but really ?? is it worth it ? I don't think SSF is worth that, so naahh.... I'll stick with Yabause, save some cash and play Saturn Games ever so perfectly with my REAL Saturn using the "swap" trick to play my complete collection of saturn games downloaded straight from that one site :-D (Wich is still up and running and going strong) :-D
Cobra Member	# Posted: 6 Aug 2007 10:14 . Edited by: Cobra Hello all, this is my 1st post but a good enough topic for my debut on the Yabause forum. Well I spent a lot of time going threw all the Saturn emulators a while back now. The saddest thing is I wasn't even trying to play any of my games, I just wanted to even get a fully functional bios going. That's how bad the emulation of the Saturn was at the time. Yabause was the 1st emulator that could boot into the bios with sound. I was thrilled, although at this time there were no cubes. Also back then SSF was around the same stage with either really being any good for actually playing Saturn games. Well a lot of time has passed now and SSF has seen major advancements. Yabause has also come a long way, but not as far. So dose that make SFF better? Neither is perfect as they are still very early on, but here is my rundown. SSF * Much better compatibility * Sprite layer hiding * Screen snapshots Yabause * Re-rendered 3D making things that are 3D look much nicer and smother at a higher resolution * Multi-platform Mac/PC/Linux/etc. * English is the native language so support and feature requests are possible What this basically means is, the compatibly that SFF boast makes it more ideal for playing games on for the time being until Yabause is able to gain more ground, however you are still better of just playing your games on the Saturn itself. However, with Yabause rendering at a higher resolution in time games will look much nicer then on the actual Saturn and will be better played on your computer. Just like the 16bit systems that benefit from advanced visuals and filters. At the end of the day my vote also goes to Yabause as it's the only emulator of the two that follows you from OS to OS once you realise the inferiority of Windows, and that's why Yabause gets my donations while SFF misses out.
Skeetz Member	# Posted: 23 Aug 2007 16:25 . Edited by: Skeetz My original problem with SSF is that it required an SSE2 compatible processor to run. I didn't have one in my old comp, so I couldn't run it originally, and on top of it, Cassini refused to get past the start up screen, and made my PC reboot. (That was probably on my end though.) After I got a new PC, I began running SSF, and it's been great. I have yet to try Yaubause, but I registered here because it has a DC port, from what I understand, as well as basic networking code, so I just want to tag along and see where it goes. From what I understand, however, Cassini is the fastest Sega Saturn emulator out there.
Cobra Member	# Posted: 23 Aug 2007 16:54 Something of note is that SSF is advancing very rapidly, so now has more advance rendering and filtering than when I last checked it. Just thought I'd give it credit where it is due. Of a big disappointment for ripping purposes of graphics however is that while it allows you to disable layers, all 2D spite layers are grouped as one so you can't separate them. Also the emulator can't be paused like Yabause, giving Yabause the advantage for graphic capturing there. As for Cassini, well aside from being only available on Windows, there seems to be a whole moral issue there. A lot of people seem to ignore it since it started out as an illegal hack of GiriGiri. So the controversy surrounding it's origins has seen it's popularity suffer somewhat. Also another plus for Yabause though that can be added to my list of advantages is BIOSless emulation. Making fully legal emulation of your actual Saturn games a breeze since even if you don't have the tools to dump your BIOS you no longer have to illegally download one.
Skeetz Member	# Posted: 23 Aug 2007 17:52 . Edited by: Skeetz Not trying to be biased or anything towards SSF here, but I heard it can play games without BIOS files as well (I cannot confirm this personally, however, I have only heard so. I can add, however, that I have seen a check box for the option, "No BIOS" in SSF's option screen, but I have never used it, so...) As for Cassini, I originally thought GiriGiri couldn't even play games out all, until I read up a bit on the subject. Still, I really don't see the issue with it, since GiriGiri was scrapped... but besides that fact, even though it is supposedly the fastest out there, I was able to run Nights at 60 FPS on SSF; of course, this is a new computer, so that can't be said for everyone... Of course, I think Yabause has a lot going for it, if it can accomplish the things the project wants to do, and achieve some good compatibility.
Cobra Member	# Posted: 23 Aug 2007 22:58 I was pretty sure the option in SSF was skip BIOS? Either way I don't suppose you could test it? I'm not sure if this allows SSF to also run without a BIOS, or if it just skips the BIOS screen when starting up games. I never tested it as it is a newer option in SSF and wasn't originally available. Either way it's a good option, saving people time when running games. As for Cassini and GiriGiri, like I said there is just a lot of controversy as you probably found out when reading about the two. It's really up to the individual, but the side effect is, it is less available than other emulators with some sites not wanting to touch it. Personally the reason I do not use it is because I have a Mac so downloading it would be of little use to me ;)
scorpion25 Member	# Posted: 23 Aug 2007 23:51 I tried them all, And just IMO Yabause blows them all outta the water, SSF when I tried it was a little slow and cassini is a good emu but does not support ram cart's which makes the compatibility of the emu fail under sff and yabause alone. I also found yabause alot easier to setup as well then the others. Also being able to run yabause on other platforms as well as Dreamcast just makes it worth touching in the first place. So I would have to say Yabause takes home the gold on this issue.
Crossface Member	# Posted: 29 Aug 2007 04:01 Wow... So nice to see all the responses to this Post !!! Keep 'em coming. Yeah about Casini, I use GiriGiri, wich is one of Casinis many "children" ha ha ha... it runs at very very good speeds, but very Glitchy !! so as far as I'm concerned it is not a contestant. I see a new version of Yabause is available, I'm gonna give it a whirl.... I would so much love to see Astal run on this Emu (hint hint) But oh yes, bottom line again... SSF is a more advanced Emu, if you have the Hardware to run it... but I am soo much still Rootin' to see Yabause catch up. I just wish those damn SSF coders would let you disable SSE2 .... if someone speaks Japanese Email those Guyz !!!
Cobra Member	# Posted: 29 Aug 2007 12:28 Alrighty, reporting back SSF can run BIOSless too, but only if you tick the tick box a couple tabs over in it's settings no where near the actual BIOS path... so it's kind of annoying, but it's good they did eventually add the feature regardless. For the record, if your PC doesn't support SSE2, there wouldn't be much point it trying to run it anyway. A 2.6 (non-Core Duo or above) XP SSE2 PC runs like a sloth with SSF, so anything below would be a waste of time. Something I really like about Yabause personally is it's simplicity, it's good being able to just run games without having to waste a lot of time with trial and error over lots of options trying to figure out what runs best on your computer and the game you are trying to get running.
scorpion25 Member	# Posted: 29 Aug 2007 21:51 omething I really like about Yabause personally is it's simplicity thats one thing I love about the emu as well.
jeff1u Member	# Posted: 11 Feb 2008 14:38 Hmm Interesting topic. Cyberwarrior, i can understand how you feel. Even though I had tested SSF last week on window, Which only can be played on window (I am a mac user but cant get Yabause starts in my mAc) The graphic NO doubt is SUper than Yabause. (I only have a series of Shining Force III JP) Beautifully rendered. Which gave it a score 0-1 But yabause can be played ANYWHERE!!! score 1-1 And able to work in any system processing speed, unlike SSF Score 2-1 SSF & Yabause can do Screen snapshots, so one point each! (If anyone can make a video capture will be GREAT) Score 3-2 SSF has much better compatibility than Yabause. (I know you guys start it hard and efforts are there, and I appreicated, Hope I can do something for Yabause but I know nothing to help in the project :( ) Score 3-3 Yabause is simple and SSF is too... too 'simple' until I dont know what to do next... And it has whatever ram/memory there for you. Score 4-3 But yabause is my first emulator that I was hunting for a while. Why? BECAUSE............. IT IS THE ONLY SATURN EMULATOR THAT CAN PUT ACTION REPLAY DIRECTLY/INDIRECTLY!!! I didnt own many games, because i own only Shining Force III series (JP) and I hope to play them again. I want to try out codes which I had found! (if I got time, I will do a spreadsheet over these codes I found) So... because of Action replay! score 5-3!!! YABAUSE STILL WIN! Even though the graphic and compatibility is better, because Yabause updated their ware with whatever users needed!!! For me, I really hope to see Yabause has a function to look into the Hex code of the game; i dont know what is the name of it. So thAT there is more hacking to do. Hungry* >:D I believe ONE DAY Yabause will get to SSF level! Am I Right?! Yabause users!!
baritonomarchetto Member	# Posted: 13 Feb 2008 11:44 my favourite is yabause... it's the only emulator that letsme play guardian heroes, even if it crashes in the second level
IronStormCommander Member	# Posted: 18 Jul 2008 14:23 (Intel Core2 Quad blah blah 2 gigs ram blah blah blah 8600 etc.....) Ok... sooooo..... it took me years and months but I finally settled and built myself a windows dream machine I can live with for many years, or as far as dx9.0c will keep me happy :) (My mac's do everything else.. this guy is 100% ONLY for games) I'm an old school Saturn owner and I have some games and all but my Saturn keeps chewin' through CR2032's and for some reason you gotta have the memory card in there juuuuuust right or it won't see it...... long story short I tried Yabu and SSF..... and too my surprise (after consulting this site) SSF is the winner with me!!!! for example my favorite games 'Iron Storm' 'Dragon Force' and 'Shining Force III' were all ripped from the actual disc into perfect .iso's (thanks to CDRWIN) and all had the same issues between the two different emulators. Yabu couldn't do audio right, and the graphics were lack luster and overlapped each other making it impossible to play anything for too long. I tried tweaking and changing and shifting and checking, switching and 'forum running' till my eyes were bloodshot.... I still ended up with issues. enter SSF; SSF runs any and everything I have so far (except for Daytona USA and Mega Man 8 but the disc themselves are trashed so I'm not surprised). I ONLY have 2 minor issues with it (however I can live with both easily) 1.) I can't seem to get rid of the TV Scale lines filter (even though the games run 100% smooth with no FPS drop or choppy transitions like Yabu does for me) 2.) it uses a steady 25% of my quad-cores constantly.....well... lemme rephrase that.. it uses up one of my quad-cores constantly! :P (I guess this isn't bad... but..... I guess its just a double edge sword because it runs the games so well....so F it I guess) But thats it, thats the end of my rant, and this is not a Yabu bash, I respect both sides of the coin because I'm too dumb to even THINK about developing a working emulator :) so yea.... SFF takes the cake, the pie, and the girls
scorpion25 Member	# Posted: 21 Jul 2008 01:43 SSF Does play alot faster on some titles that Yaba can run, But runs it with GFX errors. Take Mk trilogy SSF 0.08 alpha R10 runs it at full speed with no GFX glitches but here IMO Is where Yaba takes the win, What forum would you go to to talk with the Dev of SSF, You can come here and get in depth help on Yaba and might find some help with SSF as well, I use SSF since it plays most all games at full speed, With a Good Dual core processor that is. I would have to say SSF is the better emu for now but yaba is not far behind.
Cobra Member	# Posted: 21 Jul 2008 07:32 If memory serves me correctly, buried amongst all the option of SSF you will find a tick box or something to disable the scan lines that are enabled by default. As for feature request on SSF, if you learn Japanese you may be able to ask on the official website (^_~)"
quequotion Member	# Posted: 28 Aug 2009 04:23 i use linux. yabause (1) ssf (not in the game)